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From NPR:

New data from a public health registry that tracks the health effects of 9/11 suggest that as many as 70,000 people may have developed post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of the terrorist attacks.

The estimate, released Wednesday by New York City's Department of Health, is based on an analysis of the health of 71,437 people who enrolled in the World Trade Center Health Registry. They agreed to be tracked for up to 20 years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and the study was based on answers they volunteered about their health two and three years after the attack.

Of the estimated 400,000 people believed to have been heavily exposed to pollution from the disaster, data suggests that 35,000 to 70,000 people developed PTSD and 3,800 to 12,600 may have developed asthma, city health officials said.

They include rescue and recovery workers, lower Manhattan residents, area workers, commuters and passers-by.

One of those people on the scene was a man named Kenny Johannemann, a WTC janitor who worked part-time in the basement of the North Tower. Michael Daly picks up the story in the New York Daily News:

Johannemann often said he might have been killed on 9/11 had he not stopped to get a cup of coffee just before the plane hit. Otherwise, he might have been on an elevator when a jet crashed and flaming fuel poured down the shaft.

Instead, he was waiting for an elevator when he heard a huge bang and the doors burst open. A man tumbled out on fire and Johannemann helped him to an ambulance. "He was burned up bad but he was still alive," Johannemann told People magazine.

In the aftermath, Johannemann appeared on the "Jenny Jones Show" and received the letter from the White House. Privately, the hero became a reclusive alcoholic.

"He just started backing away and not bothering with anyone," Joseph Maya recalled. He avoided family, even on the holidays he had always loved. He seemed convinced he was friendless and alone.

Eleven days ago, on August 31, he committed suicide.

To contrast today's reported 9/11 PTSD figures, let's take a quick look at some previous data collected [master list of September 11-PTSD studies], beginning with Psychological Sequelae of the September 11 Terrorist Attacks in New York City, which appeared in March 2002's New England Journal of Medicine.


In our survey of a representative sample of adults living south of 110th Street in Manhattan, conducted five to eight weeks after the September 11 attacks, 7.5 percent of the respondents reported symptoms consistent with the diagnosis of current PTSD, and 9.7 percent reported symptoms consistent with the diagnosis of current depression.

These prevalences suggest that in the area below 110th Street approximately 67,000 persons had PTSD and approximately 87,000 had depression during the time of the study. Although the estimated prevalences of current psychopathology vary according to the population studied, in a benchmark national study, the prevalence of PTSD within the previous year was 3.6 percent,10 and the prevalence of depression within the previous 30 days was 4.9 percent,11 suggesting that the prevalences in our survey were approximately twice the base-line values. ...

Persons directly affected by disasters have higher rates of post-event psychiatric disorders than persons indirectly affected. Our survey showed that the prevalence of PTSD was higher among the persons who were most directly exposed to the attacks or their consequences (e.g., those living south of Canal Street, the area closest to the attacks, and those who lost possessions) than among persons with less direct exposure. Factors associated with grief (e.g., loss of a family member) increased the likelihood of depression, a finding that is consistent with the results of previous studies. ...

We also found a relation between a low level of social support and both PTSD and depression in bivariate analyses and between a low level of social support and depression in adjusted analyses. Social ties have a positive role in mental health. After a disaster, a low level of social support has been shown to be related to PTSD and depressive symptoms

Not surprisingly, frayed or nonexistant social supports during trauma recovery is the one commonality running through all of the incidents explored in this post.

But what about training/preparation for trauma?

Some interesting information on the incidence of PTSD in 9/11 workers from a September 2007 Journal of American Psychiatry article [pdf]:

[A]pproximately 20 percent of construction/engineering personnel and unaffiliated volunteers were likely to develop PTSD within two to three years, compared with only six percent of police officers. The likelihood of developing PTSD was also higher for people who started working at the site on or immediately after Sept. 11, for those who worked on site for longer periods of time, and for those who were injured while working at the site.

"The findings of this study establish a substantial risk of mental repercussions in volunteers who respond to disasters, including terrorist attacks," said AJP Editor-in-Chief Robert Freedman, M.D. "While we always knew that people who were directly involved were at risk, we now know that the risk extends to those who come to help."

The analysis was based on interviews with 28,692 workers enrolled in the World Trade Center Health Registry. The workers were assessed through 30-minute computer-assisted telephone interviews, conducted between Sept. 5, 2003, and Nov. 20, 2004. The highest rates of PTSD were found among workers who performed tasks outside of their training. These included emergency, medical, and disaster personnel who engaged in firefighting and sanitation workers who performed search and rescue operations.

The probability of developing PTSD was also elevated for those who worked at the site for more than three months, for all types of workers except police officers. Again with the exception of police officers, the relationship between time worked and the probability of developing PTSD was strongest for those who began working at the WTC site on Sept. 11, when the exposure to trauma and risk of injury were greatest.

"These findings confirm that the mental health impact of the WTC disaster was significant for rescue and recovery workers, especially for those who worked outside their area of training or regular occupation," said Megan Perrin, M.P.H., lead author of the study. "The results also reflect the critical importance of preparedness training and reinforce the necessity of providing mental health services to workers following a disaster."

The fate of one of those heroes from a 2003 USA Today piece :

The firehouse in Maspeth, Queens, lost 19 firefighters on Sept. 11, 2001. But in the minds of those still working there, the terrorist attacks claimed another life a year later. Gary Celentani, 33, a strapping firefighter who followed two brothers into the New York City Fire Department, was at home Sept. 25, 2002, when he shot himself to death with a rifle.

Sept. 11's role in Celentani's death may never be known. In the weeks before his suicide, he suffered his mother's death and the end of a romance. Although 6-foot-3, Gary was a "teddy bear," says his brother, Ralph, who believes Sept. 11 was at least part of the reason Gary killed himself. "Nobody knew how much pain he was in," he says. ...

Celentani's suicide illustrates a disturbing trend that has emerged after tragedies such as last year's Pennsylvania coal mine disaster, the Oklahoma City bombing and Sept. 11. Some of those intimately involved in storied rescue efforts — men and women lauded as heroes — have committed suicide. ...

After Sept. 11, at least three New York men involved in rescue and recovery efforts have committed suicide, union officials say. James Kay Jr., an emergency medical technician, shot himself early last year. Six months later, Daniel Stewart, another EMT, hanged himself. And there was Celentani.

What's more, Philip McArdle, the health and safety officer for the 8,600-member Uniformed Firefighters Association, knows of about a half-dozen suicide attempts by other firefighters since Sept. 11. "That number could go higher, depending on what we do to take care of these people," he says.  Experts, citing causes from post-traumatic stress to the destructive power of sudden fame, worry more such deaths will follow. ...

For firefighter Celentani and the other men and women who make a living rescuing and tending to others, traumatic situations are a routine part of life. And the pressure of dealing with such emotional events can take a toll.

At one time, there were three Celentani brothers in the fire department: Gene, a retired lieutenant; Ralph, a captain; and Gary, who joined the ranks July 14, 1996.

Gary, like most new firefighters, rotated through different engine and ladder companies. After Sept. 11, he was transferred to the Queens firehouse that housed Squad 288 and Hazmat 1.

In the weeks that followed, he and his brothers worked in the World Trade Center ruins. His two best friends were killed there, says brother Ralph, along with nearly 30 others Gary knew. His life became consumed with attending colleagues' funerals when he wasn't digging through rubble and human remains. He kept a shrine of photos of fallen firefighters in his apartment.

The rescue and recovery efforts weighed on all three brothers. Ralph knew at least 70 firefighters killed. But Gary seemed to suffer more.

Those who come to the aid of fallen comrades and civilian casualties in the combat zone also can suffer negative consequences in the years following their experiences.

You may recognize this photo.

It was snapped by Army Times photographer Warren Zinn on March 25, 2003 -- just days into our invasion of Iraq. Dwyer, a medic born into a family of New York City police officers (his father and three brothers are all cops), enlisted two days after the attacks of September 11.

Joseph Dwyer served in Iraq in the 3rd Squadron, 7th Cavalry Regiment, 3rd ID, also known as "the tip of the tip of the spear." Their 21-day push to Baghdad included only four days free of enemy fire. The photo that made Dwyer famous was taken in Faysaliyah following 10 straight hours in danger, as Iraqi fighters attacked his convoy and a rocket propelled grenade (RPG) struck his vehicle.

After calling for air strikes, a nearby house had been hit. The residents inside were injured, including little Ali Sattar. Dwyer scooped the frightened boy up and whisked him to receive care for his wounds; he also raced into the national conscousness at the time, as Zinn's powerful photo made the cover of USA Today.

At the time, readers wrote in their support of what they saw in the photograph, saying that it symbolized everything that was right about America. One reader wrote that it "explains, as no words ever could, why so many Americans support this war." The writer also thanked Dwyer "for being the American many of us aspire to become." ["Image of soldier, boy explains mission," USA Today, March 31, 2003 -- no longer available online]

Unfortunately, once Dwyer returned home, the hero was left to deal with his experiences on his own. He began drinking and sniffing inhalants, trying to tamp down flashbacks and nightmares and the endless hypervigilence and fear that consumed him.

Family and friends tried to reach out to help, including organizing an intervention. Dwyer himself also tried to pull himself out of his downward spiral. But, three days after the family's October 2005 intercession, Dwyer -- in a deep PTSD psychosis -- discharged "volley after volley" of gunfire in his apartment as police stood by.

Eventually, from the strain, his marriage frayed and broke down completely with his wife taking their daughter and fleeing for their own safety. His security blanket now gone, Dwyer's self-abuse gained even more momentum. From the Associated Press:

Officers had been to the white ranch house at 560 W. Longleaf many times before over the past year to respond to a "barricade situation." Each had ended uneventfully, with Joseph Dwyer coming out or telling police in a calm voice through the window that he was OK.

But this time was different.

The Iraq war veteran had called a taxi service to take him to the emergency room. But when the driver arrived, Dwyer shouted that he was too weak to get up and open the door. ...They found Dwyer lying on his back, his clothes soiled with urine and feces. Scattered on the floor around him were dozens of spent cans of Dust-Off, a refrigerant-based aerosol normally used to clean electrical equipment.

Dwyer told police Lt. Mike Wilson he'd been "huffing" the aerosol. "Help me, please!" the former Army medic begged Wilson. "I'm dying. Help me. I can't breathe."

Unable to stand or even sit up, Dwyer was hoisted onto a stretcher. As paramedics prepared to load him into an ambulance, an officer noticed Dwyer's eyes had glassed over and were fixed.

A half hour later, he was dead. ...

[F]or most of the past five years, the 31-year-old soldier had writhed in a private hell, shooting at imaginary enemies and dodging nonexistent roadside bombs, sleeping in a closet bunker and trying desperately to huff away the "demons" in his head. When his personal problems became public, efforts were made to help him, but nothing seemed to work.

This broken, frightened man had once been the embodiment of American might and compassion. If the military couldn't save him, [friend and fellow former Fort Bliss medic Dionne] Knapp thought, what hope was there for the thousands suffering in anonymity?

Dwyer died on June 28, 2008.

As for our WTC hero, Kenny Johannemann, Donna De La Cruz wrote of his experience in her September 12, 2001, AP piece:

As the twin giants of the skyline crumbled from their 110-story grandeur to five stories of rubble, survivors coughing up dust and eyes glazed with terror fled across bridges or simply ran through streets piling up with debris.

The lucky ones got out alive but will carry scars on their memories forever.

Clemant Lewin, a banker, said he looked from his window across the street from the towers and saw people jumping from the 80th floor. A man and woman held hands as they plunged to the pavement.

"I'm traumatized for life," Lewin said. "Someone needs to take responsibility for this. This was somebody's father, this was somebody's sister, somebody's mother. We should have seen this coming. I'm disgusted."

Soon after the first terrorist-controlled jetliner sliced into one of the towers, an elevator door opened inside and there stood a man on fire.

Kenny Johannemann, a janitor, said he and another grabbed the burning man, put out the fire and dragged him outdoors. Johannemann said he then heard the second explosion and looked up. He, too, saw people jumping from windows high up in the buildings.

"It was horrendous. I can't describe it," Johannemann said.

Blogger Bad American:

Kenny Johannemann was used by the system who needed a hero and when they were done with him, he was cast back on the scrap heap of a previously ordinary life now shattered irreparably.

And then he was expected to pull himself up by his bootstraps.

Remember the rescuer of the Baby Jessica, paramedic Robert O’Donnell who also committed suicide? This is nothing new... It’s the same with the servicemembers that come back from the gaping maw of America’s wars.

What has never changed is the absolute unwillingness of a nation that spends $62 billion to build a handful of F-22 raptor fighter jets to spend a fraction of that to take care of the people who stand behind the machines and the ordinary, un-uniformed people like Mr. Johannemann who rise to the occasion to do extraordinary things for others.

We demean ourselves as a nation and people by not paying attention and providing care to these people after the cameras have been switched off and packed away.

While these above three cases are hardly reflective of everyone's experience in similar circumstances, they should give us pause.

They should move us to consider what we might do differently to better support and prevent such traumas and eventual tragedies in the future. Maybe, if we're bright enough, we can find some higher purpose for the raw suffering they felt during their brief time on earth with us.

Are we strong enough to honor them this way?

More information
New York City's government website reviews September 11's possible mental health effects, including, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, general anxiety disorder (GAD), and substance use disorders, and offers general information and downloadable fact sheets.

The National Center for PTSD also has an info-rich Self Care and Self Help Following Disasters page well worth a look.

Originally posted to Ilona's Ramblings on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:01 PM PDT.

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  •  Lest we forget (7+ / 0-)

    Awesome diary.Thank you. A skirt. A skill. A life saved.

    by librarianman on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:05:01 PM PDT

  •  Longest. Tip Jar. Ever (24+ / 0-)

    ilona_aa_oct2001For those of you who've been along with me on my personal journey these past seven years, you'll probably remember that I was a former 15-year flight attendant with American Airlines the day two of our airplanes were used in the terrorist attacks on our country.

    In years past, I've written and shared photo essays on my experience of the events and my journey to Ground Zero three weeks after the attacks to pay my respects.

    My entire 911 collection is now on Flickr as well.

    100201_chgo_ohare 100201_nyc_001 100201_nyc_002b 100201_nyc_011 100201_nyc_017 100201_nyc_020 100201_nyc_037 100201_nyc_058 100201_nyc_060 100201_nyc_063

    While I personally was far removed from any danger that day, my life -- or, more directly, my career trajectory -- was directly affected by the day's unraveling. In fact, my advocacy for our returning veterans today can be traced back to the events of September 11, 2001.

    I was one of the lucky stews.

    Senior enough not to be among the 7,000 flight attendants at our airline suffering forced lay offs that fall, I also had a great husband (an AA Captain at the time; now a first officer due to their own division's sizable layoffs) who supported my choice to take the early retirement packages being offered to us.

    It turned out to be a prescient move.

    Transitioning into the work that I do today wasn't a direct path or a consciously picked choice on my part. But my own life's changing trajectory in the days and weeks and months and years that followed 9/11 has been right in step with the weaving and bobbing taking place in the country as well.

    Neither of us knew quite where we were heading back then.

    Of course, we could immediately see the pain and losses surrounding those first casualties. But, fewer might have foretold the great difficulties in store for the day's survivors and first responders, many who are today coping with post-traumatic stress disorder and other debilitating ailments.

    And as for our nation's perennial protectors: our soldiers, sailors, air(wo)men and Marines? Not many of us would have wished to grasp the gravity and depth of the sacrifices they would be called on to bear as a result of the decisions made by our leaders following September 11.

    Those who found themselves in a struggle for their lives either over Pennsylvania, amidst the reinforced walls of the Pentagon, or struggling to break free of the crushing fate of the Twin Towers in New York City are greatly missed.

    They are all of our brothers and sisters.

    For those of you who are personally and directly related or affected in any way, my heartfelt thoughts are with you and yours most especially today, the seventh anniversary of our nation's most heartbreaking day.

    As an homage to my former peers at AA, who were on the front lines on September 11 as they are today, a commercial from the carrier's post-9/11 ad campaign:

  •  This is so terrible (7+ / 1-)

    Imagine how many Iraqi's must have PTSD...

  •  ilona..... (10+ / 0-)

    Thank you for all you have and continue to do.  

    RIP, Kenny Johannemann

    RIP,Gary Celentani

    RIP, Joseph Dwyer

    May your families and friends find peace someday.

    Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

    by Cronesense on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:18:54 PM PDT

    •  So insignificant, my contributions... (6+ / 0-) the greater scheme of things, especially when compared to what these three -- and countless more -- have done for others.

      Every day, I feel blessed to just have the ability to write and present occasionally on the topic. And I do feel blessed, and when I say it -- I mean it's kind of a strange active type of blessing.

      Somewhere along the way, starting in 2005, the fates or universal energy out there just kind of kept delivering the opportunities to me to help me advocate in my own small way.

      I'm not the perfect advocate.

      Never understood why I could have been chosen for this work!

      But, that's what the darn universe keeps conspiring to do -- to keep me going and moving forward with the work.

      vfw_02This past Tuesday night, I was to be the keynote speaker at a small local VFW meeting here in Park Ridge organized by IL State Sen. Dan Kotowski. Mark Karlin, the editor of Buzzflash had invited me to take part, and I was honored, as Kotowski has done remarkable work locally here for our veterans.

      To my great and overwhelming surprise, guess who I was happily (and so easily) upstaged by? Tammy Duckworth, our state's Director of Veterans Affairs.

      I think I'm still smiling at having been able to be in her midst, esp. in such an intimate setting, esp. after her just coming off of her speech at the DNCovention.

      She arrived late, about 5 mins. into my remarks -- which were supposed to last about 25. Of course, I told her I'd continue after her (who on earth would want to stand there talking about PTSD and TBI, in front of someone as knowledgeable as her?!).

      She said, "Oh, no, please continue," and sat down next to me on the panel.

      vfw_05Gulp. In front of you, Director Duckworth?!

      Of course I whipped through that thing, leaving all sorts of things out, wanting her to have the floor. A remarkable moment for me personally; I really, really admire her and have heard from so many vets that she is a true hero to them. Her work in IL has been outstanding.

      Big highlight for me was being able to give her two copies of my book. She even asked me to sign one for her. She was very sweet, and has a remarkable presence. She is a hero through and through.

      I wish one day she'll be our national VA chief.

      Highlight of my year, this handshake:


      •  ilona...... (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm not the perfect advocate.

        My dear, I respectfully disagree.  I've followed your amazing journey and have been profoundly grateful and humbled by ALL your efforts.  You put your heart front and center and held your own grief to the side while you achieved fantastic advances for those so in need.  To me, you are a heroine in every sense of the word.

        Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

        by Cronesense on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:19:45 PM PDT

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  •  I can partly relate... (5+ / 0-)
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    I wasn't there. I saw it on TV. What made it different for me was that I had had a discussion a week and a half before with a college acquaintance about terrorism that lead me to predict exactly the scenario that happened on 9/11. what was worse was how I detailed the methods and targets they would use. It was odd, when I told him how it could be done I suddenly realized that it would be done and somehow I knew that it was only a matter of time before it happened. For the next week I wanted to write a letter to someone like the FBI but then thought it would look silly or even get me in trouble. Oddly enough, I couldn't sleep that Monday night and had an odd sense of foreboding. I barely nodded off with the TV on that Tuesday morning, not having slept, when I heard a report about a plane hitting a building. I thought it was a dream based on that worried scenario that had plagued me for the last week and a half. Finally I woke up and realized it was true. It took me hours, days, maybe even years before I realized it wasn't a bad dream.

    Sometimes I wonder if I might have some sort of PTSD because of that, or maybe just guilt that I didn't do anything about what appeared to be prescience.

    Thank you for your post. We need to get these people the help they need. But it does make me wonder, if these events cause this much hurt and pain to americans, how much hurt and pain does our bombing in our wars cause to the people in the countries of our enemies?

    "Four More Months!" And counting... down.

    by JPax on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:32:55 PM PDT

    •  I don't doubt your experience...nor the guilt (5+ / 0-)

      ...associated with it.

      I had a strange experience exactly 12 hours before the NIU shooting in February that included a dream sequence as well as a few other things that occurred in tandem to wake me up with a startle. The whole rest of the day was odd and different for me, even the fact that I was not in class but rather sitting in the building immediately next to Cole Hall when the kids rushed in to warn us and seek safety.

      I was seated in exactly the position that my dream had foretold exactly 12 hours earlier. When I got home after having been through that, and the resulting lock-down, etc. my recollection of the dream was among the more frightening aspects (since I really wasn't in any physical danger).

      So, I'm a firm believer of the warping of the space-time continuum (is that how it's described on Star Trek?...I know, bad attempt at humor here). I can only imagine how powerful your feelings were after the fact since the magnitude of what you describe is infinitely more than mine I've outlined here.


      On the PTSD in Iraq's civilian population, from Nove 2006 Science Daily article:

      Exposure to violence is putting the people of Iraq at risk of serious psychological damage, says a doctor in this week's British Medical Journal.

      Previous studies have suggested that the risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder following a traumatic event ranges from 7.5% to 72%, with the risk being highest in those exposed to sustained combat trauma.

      With an excess of over 500,000 violent deaths, there will no doubt have been many more people exposed to grave violence. It therefore seems likely that the nation of Iraq may suffer a double blow, firstly by losing a sizeable proportion of its working population and secondly by the significant consequences of people suffering post-traumatic stress disorder, writes Dr Michael Reschen of the John Radcliffe Hospital, Oxford.

      This may also be compounded by cultural barriers which prevent people from seeking psychological help, he adds.

      Last month, NPR reported:

      According to the Web site, at least 658 children were killed in Iraq in 2007, and the violence has touched the lives of many others. Iraq children also have been the victims of kidnapping, torture and rape.

      The problem has become so acute that a new clinic for children suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder will be opening this month in Baghdad. It will be the first of its kind in Iraq. ...

      Maliki, a psychiatrist, has treated hundreds of children at the Central Pediatric Teaching Hospital in Baghdad where he works. Their stories he says are heartbreaking.

      "Of course, we have many children," Maliki says. He talked about one 13-year-old girl who was kidnapped and raped numerous times. The result is that many develop post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD.

      Children who suffer from PTSD, Maliki says, can abuse drugs or alcohol, stop studying or become violent themselves. He estimates that at least 15 percent of Iraqi children display some symptoms of the condition. ...

      Iraq's notoriously inept and corrupt Ministry of Health has provided little help up until now, Maliki says.

      He is the only child psychiatrist in the entire country who works at a government hospital. The conditions here — the premiere pediatric care facility in Iraq — are dire. As he talks, sewage from a leaking toilet spreads across the room. No one bothers to come and clean it up.

      "I think the government [is] concern[ed] about the security and other issues, but of course you have a big problems of our children," Maliki says. "And the problem increasing every day.

      Oh, man. The tragedies, problems and consequences of dealing with our disputes with the most violent forms of communication -- weapons.

      The research proves that blowback of war just is not worth it anymore.

      We have to find alternative ways of dealing with one another if we're to survive much longer on this planet together with sanity and body intact.

      •  I was almost at NIU that day... (0+ / 0-)

        but ended up driving to Peoria. I was going to visit one of the professors I had had a year before when I went back to finish my degree. (I had dropped out 8 years prior for personal reasons... and yes, I was there when Kos was there and I think we had a class together). I had planned to take some grad classes last semester but changed my mind at the last moment and didn't register. I had a strange feeling about it, too. If I had registered, the class I would have taken would have been later that day in a nearby building and I would have spent the afternoon in the Steven's Annex computer lab, like I usually did between classes the year before... or I would have been heading towards class about that time and passing through Cole Hall from the Commons.

        This kinda stuff happens to me a lot.

        "Four More Months!" And counting... down.

        by JPax on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 10:38:07 PM PDT

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  •  farewell, gentlemen (7+ / 0-)

    We mourn your loss, and we deeply regret our inability to comfort you.

    Though I chose death instead of pointless pain,
    Please forgive the manner of my leaving.
    My love and need for all of you remain.
    I could not long such suffering sustain,
    Nor would it long have held you from your grieving.
    Though I chose death instead of pointless pain,

    I hope that choice will not my memory stain,
    Nor lead you to be wroth at my deceiving.
    My love and need for all of you remain.

    For only in you do I live again,
    Woven like a wind into your weaving.
    Though I chose death instead of pointless pain,

    I put to you the plea of the self-slain:
    To comprehend an anguish past conceiving.
    My love and need for all of you remain

    That all that I have been not be in vain,
    But blend into the earth of your believing.
    Though I chose death instead of pointless pain,
    My love and need for all of you remain.

    (-8.00,-7.85) 'My God! It's full of falme!'

    by bubbanomics on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:52:52 PM PDT

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